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Discussions > Those Upcoming OER Seminars

Steve Foerster
315 days ago

Well, I was initially excited to see the announcement about the three upcoming OER webinars.  Then I clicked far enough to see that they were being run on GoToMeeting -- which doesn't support Linux!  The open educational resource movement is part of a broader movement toward freeing culture from being locked down by unnecessary restrictions.  We may be focused on one head of the hydra, but software is definitely another, and for a consortium of OER initiatives to use a webinar platform that doesn't accommodate free software users when there are other platforms that do is baffling and beyond disappointing.

Andreas Link
315 days ago

BTW, there is a further announcement:

"The fourth webinar, 'Funding OER: Sustainability', will be in October. Still in the planning stages, this webinar will be about finding funding sources and will complete the series."

David Ally
315 days ago

There is always the difference between saying something and really doing it, i'm very sure that some of us do not yet know that platform is part of the infrastructure that make up the open paradigm and not the contents only. Most of the so called organizations pushing for open access are running well on proprietary platforms that are neither open nor free, they are even replacing any open and free sourced platforms with proprietary, yet they are pushing for open and free paradigms, what an irony!

Stefania Druga
314 days ago

I couldn´t agree more on the paradigm of open content on a close paltform but I think it will be interesting to bring this into discussion in the webinar itself and see what they have to say about it. Also I would like to point out the the CEO of Creative Commons,Cathy Casserly will attend the first meeting on Tuesday, July 19, 2011

Joe Corneli
314 days ago

This is one of the reasons that the word "Open" is a bit of a problem.  It doesn't actually say anything meaningful.  So for example, "Open Access" essentially just means "Access".  I think we need to use a richer lexicon to describe the dimensions of productive, collaborative, and educational projects.  The terms "NC", "ND", "SA", "By", and "Zero" from Creative Commons provide a limited way to talk about rights (or, rather, restrictions) attached to resources, but this  is actually not very descriptive.  There are 82 tags used on Slashdot, and though they probably aren't all relevant to so-called Open Education, many of them probably are.  Certainly there's more to the "open content" movement than five kinds of legal restrictions.  Really it seems like as a movement we are stumbling around in the dark, without even a shared taxonomy (much less a theory or practice) of sharing.

Abel Caine
313 days ago

Thank you Steve for raising this issue of more support (from OER organizations) for open environments, but, is there an open (open-source) webinar tool?

UNESCO has hosted and will be hosting an increasing number of webinars (using the adequate, proprietary Adobe Connect) and we would like to use a tool that's available to everyone across all operating systems. We thought of Dim Dim but it's no longer available.

Look forward to recommendations.

Joe Corneli
313 days ago

@Abel: you could probably use BigBlueButton for that.  They recommend using the platform for 25 users or less, but they've maxed it out at 193.  If you have lots of people you could use streaming video like Icecast with an integrated chat or identi.ca stream.

David Ally
311 days ago

Abel, good point, let the so called open source proponents come up with what they have, I raised the issues because most of the tools from these open sourced communities are most of the time half done, I'm not too sure of all the intentions behind this, but one is, ease of customizations for divers use cases-something you can build specific use upon, but this(oer community) is clearly well defined use case, so let's get open source tools that can be used for this purpose and make it the best tool for this particular requirements. 

Jacky Hood
310 days ago

The main sponsor of the OER webinar series sent me a message that CitrixOnline is working on a Linux version. They have a GoToMeeting in beta with GoToWebinar to follow.  Citrix even has a job opening for a Linux engineer: http://www.linkedin.com/jobs/jobs-Linux-Network-Engineer-1550312

I am curious how many OER organizations make sure that their buildings and any buildings in which they hold meetings adhere to the LONWorks open standard for building wiring and alarms.

My opinion of open source software is that it is a bit like raising vegetables. Yes, one can have free produce at the end of the summer IF one has a garden plot, plenty of water and fertilizer, and lots of time. IF one has servers, technical expertise and plenty of time, open source software is less expensive than commercial software. Another cost is incompatibility with mainstream applications. Many software vendors cannot afford to create versions that work on every browser and operating system.

Bhabesh Kumar Bhattacharya
310 days ago

I would humbly beg to state that It is not correct to comment on open source and free software before knowing and using them. In fact owners of many famous proprietary software today are based on open source software. The whole project is conceived by people those who believe in free and open source software and free dissemination of knowledge. Moodle, an open source software is being used by many well known universities in providing distance education. There is a Webinar plug in in Moodle itself that allows you to teach live classes, hold webinars and conferences up to 100 people with webcam, interactive whiteboard and document sharing. There are other soft-wares also like webhuddle released under GPL. You are thinking of running a free university and therefore software cost also matters.
With regards,
Ragpickr

Joe Corneli
310 days ago

You can always take the family out to eat in a restaurant, IF you have the cash on hand, and IF you're willing to eat what the restaurant serves you.  Certainly it need not be a very good restaurant.  At least, that's what the focus on price-as-the-driving-force tells us.  The same logic applies to OERs.

Tools for software gardening and open content homecookery are by now almost as mainstream and ubiquitous as shovels and soup pots.  This doesn't mean that they're always better than the alternative, clearly (please see this essay).  Nevertheless, making a rhetorical argument that says "it's better because it's proprietary" isn't going to hold much water, either.

David Ally
310 days ago

This is not a proprietary/open source flame war again! the purpose for initiating the discussion is clear, open source users should tell us which open sourced apps are matured and applicable to our needs, period. We are making progress though, I have tried BigBlueButton, we now have Moodle with webinar plugins, Icecast, etc, let's keep updating the list. I know the maturity of Moodle as course content managment system, I have not checked recently on plugins. 

And who knows? if the proprietary tools makers would make their tools available to oer community for free, why not? Since price is one of the considerations here apart from not making the source code open.

I guess this will help our discovery of some very good tools out there. The essay is more confusing to a lay man than resolve issues, but I know Richard Stallman's intent, freedom of source code.

We are waiting for more names of known open sourced apps out there, and probably volunteers to help Abel and co on how to set them up,  may be we have them side by side at first, after all, whether you are proprietary or open source proponent, you still belong to the human race and whatever will advance the course of humanity should be all inclusive, there is no adversary here, we are all together!